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Israel has nukes to place on its Submarines. We do not. Israel has free access to the Mediterranean. We do not. The Israeli subs are based in Haifa, not Eliat. There is no need for any of the GCC countries to own subs, with the possible exception of Oman due to their access to the Arabian Sea...

The next step would be developing the ability to research and produce rockets to launch our own sats instead of relying on the Russian Cosmodrome. But of course, everyone will spin it into a "ARABS ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP ICBMS!" and the US will stop the program. :suicide:

I don't want to clog up the main forums so I guess I'll ask this question here: Does anyone know where the Saudi military archive is? Do they allow civilians to look at declassified documents? I want to find some historical documents for something I'm researching.

I wasn't comparing the railways of France and England for no reason. It was to show an example of the hypothetical railway I imagined in my first post. It was to show that a railway only 10-15% as extensive as those nations railways can hold all of Saudia's domestic travel in a year. It just...

I am aware, but no amount of technology can change the strategic role of a vessel type. Let's think: What can a submarine ,which requires a completely new way of thinking/training/maintenance/..etc for our navy, do in our strategic environment that a surface vessel can not? Stealth? The gulf is...

The avatar looks funny. It helps people believe that I am a funny dude when in reality I am not :enjoy: But since we do not have access to the Arabian Sea directly as you say, There is little tactical use for submarines in the Saudi Navy. Our long coastline can be more easily and cheaply...

10.5 million passengers versus 14.7 domestic? Imagine if Saudi Arabia had a developed railway network? The French and British railway network transports 1 BILLION passengers every year each! domestic air traffic of course will not cease but will greatly decrease, leading to AT least 30% to 50%...

260km wide isn't large in the grand scheme of Naval warfare. Many land based anti-ship missiles can hit the opposite coast at that range. The great amount of Islands and Reefs make submerged travel difficult and going North to the Mediterranean means announcing your presence completely by going...

Probably to replace the shitty Embraer jets. But I loled at the "65% domestic flight" allocation. If we ever get a good railway system going, Saudi Airlines is going bankrupt.

aL-Hasani missed one: AK-103 :lol: At this point in time, I have no idea what the standard infantry weapon is in Saudi Arabia. In the olden days (Gulf War etc.) It was clearly the venerable H&K G3. But now we have at least half a dozen! At one point, the new standard issue rifle was gonna be...

The Red Sea is incredibly chocked with reefs, making submarine movement hazardous. The Gulf is incredibly shallow, with an average depth of only 50m and several chokepoints that make listening posts easy to set up. Overall, they're not worth as much as a surface vessel IMHO.

Subs are bit less useful in the shallower, tighter waters of the Arabian Gulf/Red Sea. So the need for them wasn't really as important as other projects.

Israel has been defying strategic considerations of demographics since its inception. Geographic size or not, Israel's airforce has the same number of aircraft as the RSAF and with the advantage of defending a smaller airspace to boot.

I'd rather we get destroyers to be perfectly honest.

If I had to bet, it would be the AIM-120C/7. That's the missile being sold to Saudi Arabia as part of that huge F-15SA package.