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Well put Ice-Cold. Single engine doctrine I believe is not even cost effective.

A new thread has been created under the title of "Potential Weaknesses of PAF and possible Solutions". I invite all the forum members who wants to take part to join that discussion. No more derailment of this thread.

Good Looking piece of equipment. where could I find more pictures? I guess in the photos thread?

What is the story with SAMS? I mean are the expensive or nobody is willing to sell it to us?

Thanks for your advice but where did I say that F22 is better then JF-17? Kindly please point in any of my posts where I mentioned that F22 is better then JF-17. I am a sinner but I can not commit that big of a sin by calling F22 better then JF-17. Yeah right in your dreams

Yep; F35 is a single engine but you are forgetting something that it is an stealth and loaded with all the other goodies which I really wish we could have in our JF-17s. Also I read on IDF site that first batch of Rafels are going to be deployed in Ambala which is I believe right next to Lahore...

AUz. I agree with you on SAMS but problem is that we do not have 400+ fighters loaded with BVRS. Plus don't you think the speed and the range of an aircraft would matter in a potential God forbid conflict? As per my analysis most modern air forces around the world are concentrating on Air...

Gentlemen: Let us have an honest, respectful and educated discussion about potential Weaknesses of PAF especially in the light of India's potential purchase of 126 Rafaels, the threat of SU 30 MKI, Govt of Pakistan's policy which has been thrust-ed upon PAF of single engine less powerful...

None taken. I think I didn't ask any questions. If you kindly please re-read my post I simply answred Shahzads question. Aparantly I accidently pinched some exposed nerve.

Hasan Sahib and all other respected forum participants. I was simply answering Shazads question. I did not ask any question from my side. Please kindly re-read my post. Rather then answering Shazads question most of you start jumping on me. If I were you and if I want to would rather answer...

Lets make a new thread. I have been requesting that over and over. I don't know how to do it.

Well TOP GUN Sir we do need it but no way in the hell that we are going to spend 10 million dollars on INDIAN REJECT not even one $ Yes definitively not. I would rather buy brand new SU 30

They don't have the answer. They have been fed so much about JF-17 (I love it too) but they will not tell you how they are going to face SU 30 MKI and Rafales forget about fifth generation. Jf-17 Block II is going to cost $25 million and SU 30 or SU 27 is around $30-$35 million. They are going...

mdcp: I agree with you 100% except 100 would be impossible. We should go for any where between 36 to 60 If we can. Also we should try to make a deal for Algerian SU 30 MK which I heard are grounded in Algeria because it was a copy of Indian SU 30 MKI. Putin is coming to Pakistan and I hope...

I guess Sir Pshamim may answer this query of BVR. Sir Pshamim please shed some light if you please.

Thank you Oscar

Sir Ice- Man This is what i am trying to argue over here that we are going to Spent 3-5 Billion $ on this project. We would have been much better off had we just take couple of billion out of this project and invest in some more powerful equipment. Now every body is going to come after me.

TAC So everybody agree that we do need the Powerful Aircraft other then what we have and what we going to have? It is just we don't have the money. It is not that twine engines are useless. Gentlemen I request the answer. Am I right? It is the money otherwise there is a great need for twine...

TAC I respect your opinions and respectfully saying you are far from realty. If you want and have the will and money you would buy any thing with in the limits of this debate(nobody is saying F22 F35 or likes). If you would have the money you will be able to buy Typhoone. For our defense we...