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Oh don't you see ? By keeping the issue alive, Pakistan risks loosing PAK too, just as much as India risks loosing IAK in the future. Indian official maps still claim the entire Jammu and Kashmir as Indian territory. The water flows both ways.

Ofcourse Indian policy has been Pakistan centric, and partially concerned with China. What do you expect with Nuclear tipped missiles pointed at you ?

Agnostic, although you have made a good argument, but you disregarded a very important fact. From your reasoning, i think you mean that if Pakistan keeps growing economically at its current rate, there will be a stage when Pakistan will become a significant global player. At that time, Pakistan...

Question is, how do you suppose Pakistan can get Siachen ? Only 2 ways, either military operation, or international political pressure. In case of Military operation, either PA can do a head on assault or use subterfuge like Kargil [make Indian troops withdraw after some treaty and then occupy]...

Neo: "I guess joining the US club rocks everyone's boat. The nuclear deal cannot go ahead without the communist approval. It doesn't seem like another election would really put a dent into the communist seats (perhaps make them even stronger). This isn't the same as how BJP quit the government...

Wow long thread over this topic. I didn't know Siachen was such a touchy subject. Anyways, nothing will happen. Siachen will physically remain in Indian hands, and with time will be recognized as such by the international community. Pakistan really has no say in this anymore. You can keep...

Like Sir Salim said, Kashmir is and will stay with India. Judging by current events, there is a greater chance of Waziristan and Baluchistan being liberated from Pakistan, before Kashmir gets liberated from India. And speaking of that, why is Pakistan subjugating and oppressing the peace loving...

And i think people here absolutely underestimate the American war machine and over estimate a lot of their own nations capabilities. I try to sober up things a bit. Confidence is good, over confidence is bad, and self-delusion is outright dangerous. "Fool the world if you have to, but never fool...

Exactly key. You are right. My contention is with people who confuse intent with capability. Just because some one doesn't want to do something, doesn't mean he can't do it. But this false analogy of intent = capability abounds on this forum. You have to realize that a lot of limitations of...

Eh, India = Sudan in size ? What geography class did you go to ? Oh nevermind, i got it.

Political fallout ? What political fall out ? I dont see the US caving into any international pressure. What i do see is the US caving into domestic political pressure, and thats because of all the body bags coming home. What oil embargo ? Whose going to enforce an oil embargo against the US...

How about bomb every important military, civilian, educational, administration and leadership building in Iran. Bomb power plants, water reservoirs, road networks, bridges, rail lines and communication centers. Then enforce land, air and sea blockade of every essential item including food...

Yes RAW did it. Aren't Indians so evil and resourceful ? I know. We are pure evil geniuses.:chilli:

Ahh the professionalism of the Indian Army is being questioned here !! And the greatest irony is that its being done on a Pakistani board by Pakistanis. Come on !! Suicide and Surrender both start with an 'S', but they are worlds apart. Need i say more ? So please, before someone actually...

Are you insane ? Since when did achieving objectives become important in war ? And lest you forget, Pakistan got Half of Kashmir in 1947 hence it was a great success, PAF kicked IAFs *** in 1965 hence it was a great successs, Bengalis were traitors and didn't deserve to be with Pakistan anyways...

It also reminds of someone who offered the "mother of all battles" in 1990, while his machismo collapsed like a house of cards in reality. Take your pick.

Passing funny comments does not change ground realities one bit. Although it does make one feel good about himself. What can the PA possibly do other than Kargil type mini ops ? Can it invade Indian territory on a broad front ? Can it attack and hope to neutralize the Indian war making...

Pakistan Navy = no threat Pakistan Army = no threat Pakistan Airforce = threat [some warplanes can carry nuclear payload] Pakistan Missile forces = major threat Pakistan sponsored proxy war = threat There you have it. Simple and easy.

Ice, if you read my following post, i did publicly apologize for the post. I try my best to be as detached from emotions as possible while debating. My earlier rant was in extremely bad taste and i apologize again. By the way, i do deserve a little of what you gave me still.

Thanks Agnostic. So what is your opinion about the last part i edited and added to my last post, about 'citizen' ? "As for the citizen concept, well, there are interest groups everywhere. But a person with a vote is a person with a voice, no matter how small it is. After all we are all just...