Isis: Majority of British people do not support air strikes against Syria

[Godman]

ISIS will attack UK when they get the chance regardless of UK's involvement. US, UK and France are the top targets for ISIS in the west.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Isis: Majority of British people do not support air strikes against Syria | UK Politics | News | The Independent
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What's your opinion guys ?

@mike2000 is back @Steve781 @Abingdonboy @waz @Atanz @Blue Marlin

It is pretty obvious, folks in Britain and many other nations are SCARE and do not want to see ISIL terrorists bombing their cities.

So the INTIMIDATION tactics of the ISIL are working.

And when they learn on which nation created and indirectly supporting ISIL, the anger will be redirect at that nation who is now sitting on the sideline as a spectator.

Give you a hint?

Why do you think USA left her military hardwares behind in IRAQ to be captured by the ISIL?

 

[mike2000 is back]

They may have suspected that they were spies.

ISIS specifically mentioned the bombing by France as a reason for the Paris attacks.

UK bombing of ISIS will inevitably make it more likely that ISIS will want to attack the UK - only way to reduce the threat is to go in with ground troops.

Go all the way or stay out completely.

LOOL When did ISIS said they killed them because they suspected they were spies??
Or maybe you are secretly in touch with the top leaders of ISIS?? lol

ISIS clearly said they were never paid the ransom they demanded from the KAFIR governments of China and Norway. So as a result of this, they had to kill these two unbelievers since their Kafir government 'abandoned them' by not accepting the demands ISIS made. lol You can read it here yourself. ISIS boasts about killing Norwegian, Chinese captives - NY Daily News

Moreover, as i said before ISIS just like Al Qaeda and other terrorists Islamic groups have already tried several times to commit terrorist acts in the U.K but they have so far failed because our skillful intelligence agencies/secret services have so far thwarted all their attempts to carry out such attacks on our soil, not because they didn't want to attack the U.K,only a very naive person will say that. Revealed: Britain has foiled seven terror attacks in one year - Telegraph
UK has thwarted seven Isis plots in a year, says David Cameron | Politics | The Guardian

You do know that ISIS is even present now in your own home country Bangladesh right? They have already carried out several terrorists attacks in Bangladesh itself since your secret services are not up to par as of yet. What has Bangladesh ever done to ISIS?
ISIS says it's behind deadly Bangladesh mosque attack - CNN.com
ISIS, al Qaeda and Bangladesh | Bangladesh Live News
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/w...ttack-in-bangladesh-targeting-shias.html?_r=0


So as i said there hasn't been any attacks on British soil since 2005 simply because our secret services and intelligence agencies are world class and always on alert, not because ISIS and Al Qaeda haven't been trying.
David Cameron to recruit 2,000 new spies amid claims UK foiled seven terror attacks in six months | UK Politics | News | The Independent

ISIS will attack UK when they get the chance regardless of UK's involvement. US, UK and France are the top targets for ISIS in the west.

Don't mind some naive people on here bro. lol They seem to be living in a dream world, where they think leaving ISIS alone to grow more and gain more land/rule will make ISIS leave us all alone.

So we have two choice, either we go after them ourselves or we just wait for them to grow stronger/increase their capabilities and strike us. Take your pick.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Isis: Majority of British people do not support air strikes against Syria | UK Politics | News | The Independent
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What's your opinion guys ?

@mike2000 is back @Steve781 @Abingdonboy @waz @Atanz @Blue Marlin

I would like to see the exact questions in the survey as the results seem very dubious. The indepedant have spun 59% of British people not supporting airstrikes in Syria but then go on to say these 59% fear such strieks would lead to terror attacks in the UK so which is it? I suspect 59% of people fear such action would be harmful for our own security in the UK and do not support airstrikes on those grounds but the headline of the Independant is very misleading and seems to imply it is because of ideological reasons.


Personally I don't think it matters @FrenchPilot David Cameron is now only interested in restoring his ego- his motion to conduct airstrikes in Syria was defeated in the Parliament a few years ago which was widely seen as a humiliation for him. I don't think a few airstrikes from aged Tornados will actually lead to any tangible degredation of ISIS's capabilties.


Just look at the abysmal effort the RAF put into anti-ISIS operations in Iraq:

Just shy of a months worth of operations and the RAF has expended;

• Hellfire; 20, from Reaper
• Brimstone; 5, from Tornado
• Paveway IV; 12, from Tornado

Slim Pickings in Iraq - Think Defence


A mere 37 muntions dropped in an entire month! It's just potlical posturing as far as the UK is concerened, our polticans are "playing" at being "part of the coalition" because it is what is expected of us but there is no substance to it.


I'm glad Russia and France are fired up to give those scum the righteous retrubution they are asking for.

 

[Steve781]

I would send more tornadoes to Iraq instead.
You might say "what's the point in stopping at the border"? but the political situation in Syria is far more complicated and far more volatile.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I would send more tornadoes to Iraq instead.
You might say "what's the point in stopping at the border"? but the political situation in Syria is far more complicated and far more volatile.

There Tornadao fleet is already stretched to the brink.

 

[Steve781]

There Tornadao fleet is already stretched to the brink.

Military chiefs say there's two more to spare.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Military chiefs say there's two more to spare.

Two more? Come on mate, that sn't going to make much difference at a strategic level. Our involvment is already little more than a token effort sending two more Tornados will not signifcantly change the status quo.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Just look at the abysmal effort the RAF put into anti-ISIS operations in Iraq:

Just shy of a months worth of operations and the RAF has expended;

• Hellfire; 20, from Reaper
• Brimstone; 5, from Tornado
• Paveway IV; 12, from Tornado

Slim Pickings in Iraq - Think Defence


A mere 37 muntions dropped in an entire month! It's just potlical posturing as far as the UK is concerened, our polticans are "playing" at being "part of the coalition" because it is what is expected of us but there is no substance to it.

What are you on about? So you will rather we carry out attacks in Iraq carelessly even when a legitimate target hasn't been identified/confirmed?lol That will only make things worse. The RAF carries out strikes only when it has enough intelligence/feedback(mostly from Special forces 'SAS' soldiers deployed on the ground and Iraqis) about a certain target. So strikes are often carried out only after the RAF is sure about the target being an enemy so as to avoid civilians deaths/casualties. Reason RAF despite carrying out relatively 'few' strikes'(according to you. lol) has managed to kill over 300 hundreds ISIS fighters in less than a year with ZERO CIVILIAN casualties.. I will rather we kill 200 hundred terrorists and zero civilians than 300 hundred terrorists and 100 civilians. lol

So RAF will keep carrying out its precise/targeted strikes in Iraq and occasionally in Syria(until the parliament gives the go ahead for full strikes in Syria).
British military claims drones killed 305 ISIS fighters in 1yr, no civilian casualties — RT UK
Michael Fallon claims there have been ZERO civilian casualties from air strikes in Iraq - Mirror Online
British Airstrikes Have Killed an Estimated 330 ISIS Fighters in Iraq - World - Israel News - Haaretz Israeli News Source

Moreover, even in your home country India, your military often carry out raids against terrorists groups/rebel groups/separatists in India itself as well, but despite the fact that their activities have been degraded by these raids, these groups are still standing/present all over India. Does that means the Indian military is ineffective and just making political posturing and there hasn't any tangible degradation of these terrorists/Rebel separatists groups capabilities? lol

So no, its no political posturing, The RAF has been quite effective in degrading ISIS capabilities in Iraq.


Additionally, public opinion often changes with any single news update on the field. lol Reason world leaders never really rely on public opinions to forge their foreign policy.
YouGov | British public call for increased UK involvement in ISIS strikes

 

[Abingdonboy]

Moreover, even in your home country India,

My "home country"? As someone born,raised, educated and living in the UK how is India my "home country" by any stretch of the imagination?

 

[mike2000 is back]

My "home country"? As someone born,raised, educated and living in the UK how is India my "home country" by any stretch of the imagination?

Well you put your Indian flag as well, so figured out that's the country your parents are from 'Originally' not your nationality. So just thought i'd use an example of India to prove that the point you made is not valid about the RAF.

 

[Godman]

Give you a hint?

Why do you think USA left her military hardwares behind in IRAQ to be captured by the ISIL?

Because the US was dumb and didn't expect Iraqi forces to run like a bunch of girls

 

[Abingdonboy]

Well you put your Indian flag as well, so figured out that's the country your parents are from 'Originally' not your nationality. So just thought i'd use an example of India to prove that the point you made is not valid about the RAF.

I had no choice in the matter mate, the admins changed my flag to Indian without my permission or knowledge and I have no way of restoring it to the Union Flag.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I had no choice in the matter mate, the admins changed my flag to Indian without my permission or knowledge and I have no way of restoring it to the Union Flag.

. My apologies then my bad. The RAF is doing a good job so far in Iraq against ISIS bro, even the Iraqi government itself, the kurds and France have acknowledge that, reason they want the RAF to extend its operations in Syria to target 'the head of the snake'(as Cameron said. lol)..

 

[Vergennes]

. My apologies then my bad. The RAF is doing a good job so far in Iraq against ISIS bro, even the Iraqi government itself, the kurds and France have acknowledge that, reason they want the RAF to extend its operations in Syria to target 'the head of the snake'(as Cameron said. lol)..

It's more like a political act,France wants to push for the European defence,the idea to bolster the EU defence.
European nations are pretty nowhere,while we deployed 10.000 soldiers in overseas operations,almost nobody came to our help us on the ground,only some logistic supports..... only the Netherlands deployed some special forces with us in Mali,but it was more like under UN if i'm not wrong. (But also mainly for reconnaissance and gathering intelligence ) @Penguin

European nations are pretty nowhere. The only nations that proposed to help us are the UK,which will deploy a destroyer to protect our A/C (Already has the protection needed),and we are waiting for you to also act with us in Syria. Germany,pretty useless,a frigate to "defend" our A/C (It already has the needed protection....) and some Tornados,only for reconnaissance missions and Belgium who is also providing a frigate,so it's almost nothing. France decided to invoke the article 42.7,just to push more seriously toward an European defence,otherwise we would have invoked the NATO's article 5 and we would have had the help needed,because only the US would have seriously given the help needed. (Even if Obama is the most useless president the US ever had.)
But some European nations have cut their armies to a nowhere level,that i lost some hope....

Amazing how 28 nations let only one to act in the interest of the Union....

@Abingdonboy